WTF? Apparently Russia is responsible for about half of the nasty social media remarks about The Last Jedi
When they say they just want so sow discord in America, they ain’t just whistlin’ Dixie.
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Gotta tell you, it’s pretty goddamn funny to see the most commented article on OtherCrap that I can remember being about fucking Star Wars. And from a bunch of “new” commenters to boot.
Not sure if it’s supportive of the article Scoop linked, or a truly representative snapshot of geek culture in this country.
Regardless, it brought a chuckle.
Ha, I tend to look at the site every day…but usually the article can basically be summed up as “here’s some tits” and the only real response is “nice tits” so no real point in posting. The other articles basically amount to “Trump is an idiot” which I agree with, so a “harumph harumph” every now and then is about all I do.
@playgroundpsychotic. Now we’re talking. Unfortunately Vader and even Kylo REN ended up achieving more than Luke ever did. That’s the sad thing. Apparently the commentary furthered in The Last Jedi is also that powerful men are evil. Luke was the most powerful of them all and I spired a generation of hero’s. But let’s just end his arc by massacring his memory, creating a failure who tries to kill his own nephew, and then refuses to help the one person who can finally balance the universe. As I said…. any true Star Wars fan hated The Last Jedi. And if you are going to take the “old man” approach, then recognize that Star Wars was made historical by those “old men” and their childhood was destroyed by a hack trying to make another Avengers movie. I have faith that JJ Abrams will sage the day.
And here’s why you’re basically making a stupid, stupid argument and don’t seem to be a bright person. You’re saying predestined men “believe they are destined.” That doesn’t mean they actually are by a bloodline, dope. Talking to conservatives can be really sad, they just are such simple people.
I’m a true Star Wars fan and I thought it was pretty great. You don’t speak for me dude. Maybe J.J. can make a carbon copy of Jedi and we’ll get that other Death Star I was talking about.
You’ve been very personal throughout most of this discussion although I’ve tried to stay above the fray. I don’t remember saying I was a conservative. I will say that people who pride themselves on being liberal always claim to be “intellectual” while going to mediocre schools and having middle management jobs. I’m also Ivy League educated and a nyc ibanker. I’m sure you stayed at a holiday inn express last night though.
Quote: “That is the false narrative being pushed on today’s youth by liberal delusionalists.”
Doesn’t take Einstein to figure it out. Ha ha, I don’t believe you. Maybe you’re telling the truth, or maybe you’re not. One thing you can’t deny is you’re one of those weird white 40 year olds always bitching about their childhood being destroyed by a movie they didn’t like. I don’t usually find them to be movers and shakers.
Anyway, if you’d like to refute what I said go ahead and try, but you can’t. I guess bankers don’t need logic.
Btw, as a “true Star Wars fan”, I’m curious how old you are because of you aren’t a gen xer, then you have no claim to such a statement. It wasn’t made for the entitled, soft, crybaby millennials. Also, “bloodline” is the metaphor utilized in Star Wars. There is no force in the real world, nor predestined bloodlines. Just FYI.
Moron, bloodline isn’t a metaphor in Star Wars, it’s an actual thing. Anakin Skywalker didn’t come from a fancy bloodline.
And I’ll answer you…I’m 42! I just liked calling you old man because it was funny, and you are (me too).
Lol. Fine. We are both old. I meant that the description of the bloodlines in a fantasy sci if film can’t be explained literally in the real world since the force and magic bloodlines don’t exist in the real world. I’m sure we can agree on this. I’m only a nerd in online forums. Its my guilty pleasure to not have to front like I do in real life. Said but true. Btw, I’m an independent but I have libertarian leanings.
Vader achieved nothing besides self-destruction and Kylo is well on his way to joining him.
The only Skywalker to achieve anything was Leia, the least force attuned of the four of them.
This isn’t some stupid argument about powerful men being evil. This is about power and responsibility. Leia learned to lead others and lead wisely. Luke learned humility and to avoid temptation.
OK. Rebuttal.
1. Luke was practically the definition of a Mary Sue (his name is an abbreviation of Lucas for crissakes), and his heroic virtues were always something that we were told about instead of something that we see in action. Over and over again we see him take stupid and impulsive risks that are justified by the course of events because he has the invulnerable plot armor of the Force. The ridiculously overcomplicated plan to rescue Han from Jabba’s Palace and his charging off to rescue Han and Leia despite Yoda telling him it’s a bad idea (and his total failure proving Yoda right) are particularly strong examples, but his wandering into the hands of Vader in Episode VI is only prevented from being a total disaster by virtue of Palpatine being even more ridiculously foolish.
Luke has admirable points: compassion, courage, loyalty, but he’s far, far short of being a decent role model.
2.) Oh. Really… You want more backstory for the villains? How about a series of three movies on the politics of the rise of Snoke and the First Order and the temptation of Ben Solo to the Dark Side? That worked out SO well last time…
3.) This is the point where we have an intractable philosophical difference, because I’m with David Brin in thinking that upholding exceptionalism and heroic destiny is the WORST aspect of the old movies. Kids do not need to believe that they are special heroes with an exceptional destiny, not do we need people believing that such heroes exist. Such is the stuff that Maos and Stalins are made of.
Now, if you think that sort of message is integral to your personal vision of “Star Wars”, that’s fine and dandy for you, but that’s YOUR PERSONAL VISION. You don’t own the franchise, and you certainly don’t have the right to define your interpretation of the “meaning of Star Wars” as canonical and insist other people adhere to it.
What you do have the right to do is not patronize Star Wars films in the future and discourage others from doing so, and if enough people agree with you, then the franchise will either have to change back to the old style or wither up and die. And that latter might not be a bad thing either.
I’ll defend Luke’s plan for getting out Han from Jabba..it’s actually a good plan. Each different thing they do they hope would work. In the best of worlds, Jabba would have taken the droids as payment, released Han, and Lando would have gotten the droids out the back at some point. Didn’t work. Then hopefully Leia’s plan works, it doesn’t. Luke hopes to go in and just kill Jabba if those plans don’t work, he fails.
BUT, they have done the smart thing…put their people in the place like chess pieces. They don’t have an absolute plan, but they’re getting things lined to for the best chance of success. I think that’s more realistic than a perfect Missions Impossible thing.
That’s not the stuff of Maos and Stalin. That’s the stuff of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and every other exceptional person who had a vision and a belief and drive to achieve it. Every one of them believed they were/are destined for great things and everyone of them pursued it to the ends of the earth. What you are doing now is tearing down the basic tenets of capitalism. That’s also your prerogative. However I don’t remember at any point trying to insist I “have the right to define my interpretation of the “meaning of Star Wars” as cononical.” You are free to believe what you want, as you do. As I stated, they destroyed the character of Luke Skywalker and they destroyed the arc laid out by the previous 7 months of the bloodline of the Skywalker. You want canonical greatness? Read this. This would have satisfied both of us. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-ostrower/rey-is-obi-wan-kenobis-granddaughter_b_8911656.html?guccounter=1
That’s not the stuff of Maos and Stalin. That’s the stuff of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and every other exceptional person who had a vision and a belief and drive to achieve it. Every one of them believed they were/are destined for great things and everyone of them pursued it to the ends of the earth. What you are doing now is tearing down the basic tenets of capitalism. That’s also your prerogative. However I don’t remember at any point trying to insist I “have the right to define my interpretation of the “meaning of Star Wars” as cononical.” You are free to believe what you want, as you do. As I stated, they destroyed the character of Luke Skywalker and they destroyed the arc laid out by the previous 7 movies of the bloodline of the Skywalker.
What are you talking about Old Man? You’re the one who wants to have a Chosen One from Sacred Stock (like Jim Jong Un) rather than a scrappy Rey bringing herself up from nothing like the very best American capitalists…like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. You literally don’t know what you’re talking about.
And read my thing above…they actually finished Luke’s character as left in Return of the Jedi, where he renounced all violence.
The very best American capitalists believe they are destined. As do conquerors and revolutionists. They see it as their destiny to change the direction of mankind. In fact, Elon musk actually made that statement. What you are arguing is that some people aren’t born with superior capabilities to others. That is the false narrative being pushed on today’s youth by liberal delusionalists. Some people are stronger, some are smarter, some are faster, and some are born great. The Skywalker were a line of great men with extraordinary powers. Giving powers to some nobody is a dream, not reality. Especially not when it’s been established over 40 years that the sky walkers are a powerful bloodline. You are trying to eliminate the physics of the universe which have been established. You want to believe anyone can be a superhero. Nonsense. Steve Jobs is a superior creator. He was born better than the average man. More importantly they turned a childhood hero for many into a bumbling fool who milks cows and burns books. Not how hero’s should end after 40 years. And I’m in my mid 30s. That’s old man? Lol
“Some people are stronger, some are smarter, some are faster, and some are born great. The Skywalker were a line of great men with extraordinary powers. ”
True. One of those men was Darth Vader. A person of great potential and what did he do with that potential? Murder dozens of people? Or hundreds? Or thousands?
Fuck, no wonder Luke became a hermit.
Vader’s potential was passed along to his grandson Kylo Ren. A man also of great power and potential. Its greater that he’s stronger, smarter, faster and great. So great he used his powers to commit patricide.
“However I don’t remember at any point trying to insist I ‘have the right to define my interpretation of the ‘meaning of Star Wars’ as cononical.'” (sic)
See your comment of 10/2 at 9:41 PM:
“All thing she (sic) considered, you may like the film. That’s fine. But it’s not Star Wars.”
Perhaps I’m reading a bit into that statement, but it sure does look like you’re saying you know what “Star Wars” is better than I do (or Disney does).
I think I’ve said all that need be said, you’re doing a fairly good job of losing the argument on destiny and exceptionalism without my contributing any further.
You know, if you wanted to start a fight in a bar in North Philadelphia, actually singing “Dixie” in the original faux 19th century minstrel show lyrics as opposed to just whistling it would be pretty damned effective.
FYI, and this is me speaking as one of those Commie Pinko Liberal Late Generation Xers who actually liked “The Last Jedi”, appealing to Scoop’s romanticized childhood memories of the original Star Wars films is kind of pointless, given that he’s written many, MANY times explaining how he has the life experiences of a typical Baby Boomer. He doesn’t remember sitting on the floor of his Dad’s living room playing with Kenner action figures watching VHS copies of the HBO showings of “Return of the Jedi”, for the simple reason that he was one of the Dads.
My impression of the loud sector of the Star Wars fanbase that sees the newer films as a “betrayal” is that most of the criticisms they levy against the newer films applied equally well to all of the films in the original trilogy, but none of the critics notice that because the originals are covered in that thick protective layer of childhood nostalgia.
I disagree. I had no real problems with various complaints around women leaders speaking down to Poe (constantly). No issues with the absolutely pointless trip to the casino planet which accomplished nothing. No real issues with the Asian actress who has been slaughtered on social media, nor any issues with Leia flying through space or the jar jar blinks furry balls constantly bothering Chewbacca.
I have 3 complaints.
1. What they did to Luke Skywalker was outrageous. 6 movies and 40 years of skywalker lore and they tossed it (and him), like he was “crewman #5”. They made a mockery of him and everyone who believed in him over decades.
2. After a huge buildup, Snoke was disposed of with ease, with no real emotional attachment and no backstory. I want to know who that guy was.
3. Rey’s big pandering reveal of being “nobody from nowhere”. What a joke. What happened to hero’s and exceptionalism and destiny? That has always been the fabric of Star Wars. The blood,one meant something. The chosen one meant something. The person who restores balance to the universe means something. This was complete pandering to the “we are all special” generation. No, in Star Wars not everyone is special and being connected to the force means something.
I’ll throw in a 4th although it’s a rehash of my original comment. THIS IS NOT A MARVEL MOVIE. I love the marvel films and what they have accomplished however there is no comedy, lighthearted sacrifices, and jokes in the face of potential death.
All thing she considered, you may like the film. That’s fine. But it’s not Star Wars. And I liked The Force Awakens. It was at least true to the source material. Although I hated the prequels, they were also at least tied to the universe. The Last Jedi might as well been called Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
Why are nerds so concerned about Snoke? He was a nothing character, and he died to advance the agenda of an actual character, Kylo Ren. I don’t remember a bunch of people bitching about the Emperor getting thrown down a shaft without knowing who he was. Snoke was Emporer part 2.
As for Luke, he didn’t get tossed like nothing. In Jedi he threw away his saber…he meant it. He knew violance would lead him to the dark side. That’s why he almost murdered Kylo. Luke knew he had to stay away from that shit for everyone. In the end he won by being truly enlightened and fought according to his beliefs of non violence…notice all he did was dodge, never even threw a blow (not like it would have mattered). He won and kicked ass and that was an amazing scene. I think everyone who complains is a 40 year old dude who’s pissed because he didn’t get what he wanted.
Oh also, the Rey thing. Last Jedi did the actual interesting thing. Chose One bullshit is played out and sucks. She is someone who comes from nowhere and now she can make herself. That’s a real story. We’ve had enough destiny in these movies, you want the same damn story every time out? Maybe they could build a fourth Death Star!
Sorry. This is complete nonsense. I despised the last Jedi, as did a vast majority of my gen x and older millennial friends. It was crap. Period. It destroyed the tradition of Star Wars and turned it into another Avengers movie. I like the marvel movies for what they are but Star Wars is sacred and it was pissed on by Rian Johnson and Disney.
That doesn’t mean the analysis is nonsense. If half of the criticism is Russian trolls, the other half is legitimate – and half of the negative comments is still a vast amount! But remember (1) this is one of the best-reviewed films of the past ten years. It’s a 91 at RT! (2) Even the online comments studied in this analysis were overwhelmingly positive, but of those that were not, about half were made by trolls, sock puppets, and bots originating in Russia and a few European locales.
I have not seen the movie.
Don’t. It will break your heart.