“ISIS will surge back”

“You can pull your troops out, as President Obama learned the hard way out of Iraq, but the ‘enemy gets the vote’ as we say in the military. And in this case, if we don’t keep the pressure on, then ISIS will resurge. It’s absolutely a given that they will come back.”

Former Defense Secretary James “Mad Dog” Mattis

Good to know. We all miss those guys. Gosh, I just hope their comeback works out better than that reboot of Twin Peaks.

11 thoughts on ““ISIS will surge back”

    1. Damn right. Laura Dern does it for me. Also liked that “let’s not overthink this opportunity” scene.

  1. The big issue here is that there IS no more ISIS.

    The false caliphate fell, and the false caliph is dead. Without that, ISIS literally doesn’t exist.

    Now, you can say former ISIS loyalists may cause trouble, but not in any organized way. They have no further ability to recruit, raise money, or receive assistance from believers in the cult. It all hinged on the prophecy that has now been proven to be false.

    That said, Trump handing Erdogan what he wants (the Kurds on a platter) makes zero sense. They’re allies, Erdogan isn’t, and allowing their genocide doesn’t advance our interests in any way.

    1. Wish it was that simple. There have been plenty of cults with unfulfilled prophecies. That doesn’t break the cult, it may strengthen it. Y’see, we just imperfectly interpreted the will of God, but he still wants us to win.

      The Kurds have been on our side – well, their own side really, they’re working on getting their own country – and their help with re-spawned ISIS would be great. But no, we had to romance the canine and sell them out to Turkey.

      1. You don’t understand ISIS. It was a death cult based on Islamic prophecy.

        The key to this prophecy was that it was based on a new caliphate (Islamic province/state) in a very specific piece of land. This asshole claimed he was this prophesied caliph, and that he held enough land to call it a caliphate. This is why ISIS was able to recruit the way it did: part of this prophecy (their version of doomsday) is that ALL Muslims must report to this caliphate for the final battle.

        The key is that the forces of evil, claimed to be the united States by this guy, had to attack the caliphate at a specific city in Syria. This is why ISIS was so invested in antagonizing the US and tried to attack us within the US as much as possible…if we didn’t attack, the prophecy was off.

        Several problems happened. Our special forces and Kurdish allies kicked them out of Iraq. That broke the caliphate, as it was triangular…and a triangle missing a point is a straight line, not a triangle.

        That ended recruitment, along with multiple reports of people lured from the west with promises of bountiful living and met with poverty in the desert. That’s problem #2, as they started running out of troops and volunteers to attack the US and UK.

        Finally, the caliph was killed. No caliph, no caliphate, no prophecy.

        The key here is that the penalty for trying to claim you’re the fulfillment of this prophecy if you aren’t? Death. Fatwa. All of Islam out to murder you.

        This is why most of Islam issued fatwas against ISIS in the beginning, because any idiot could see this guy was full of it. But after the caliphate fell? Nobody wanted to be seen as an ally to this guy in Islam. His claim proven false, anyone openly stating they’re with him are immediately doomed to death under the laws of Islam.

        So nobody is looking to fulfill the ISIS cult plans. Right now, nobody in these very strict Islamic nations are looking to be sporting ISIS bumper stickers.

        You see random Islamofascist attackers in the west claiming to be ISIS simply because, in the west, that’s still a scary buzzword. You’re not Mahmoud the solo crazy guy, you’re a soldier of this multinational terror group.

        Except you aren’t, because they aren’t.

        Note the last UK terror attack awhile back where they used a rented van and mocked up fake suicide vests.

        Three of them in one van. Why?

        They couldn’t afford to rent two more vans.

        Or build real vests.

        That’s not ISIS, the well funded terror cult. That’s three dipshits on welfare desperate to keep the jihad alive when all their buddies had long since called it a day.

        1. No, I don’t understand ISIS. But I understand delusional wishful thinking. They’re not going to quibble about logical consistency. Or at least, we shouldn’t rely on them all going, “well, that was a wank, think I’ll go work at Walmart instead now.”

  2. Trump’s right in that he campaigned promising to bring Troops home. But that doesn’t mean it was the right policy. We are abandoning an ally which is both morally wrong (in my opinion) and obviously going to make it harder the next time we seek an alliance. It was not a choice between bringing our troops home and keeping them fighting in Syria indefinitely. The mere presence of American forces on the border would have acted as a deterrent to a Turkish invasion since Erdogan would not want to risk killing American soldiers. Instead Trump gave the invasion his blessing. Trump is terrible.

    Isis is of course worse for innumerable reasons. But one of the least serious reasons is the damage Isis has done to the 1970’s Saturday morning live action super heroine show starring Joanna Cameron. I loved that show when it originally aired. What can I say? I was 7. In the 70’s, the Secrets of Isis was paired with the Shazam version of Captain Marvel. While the Captain Marvel show is available to stream on DC Universe, the Secrets of Isis (other than crossover episodes) is not. I blame the Islamic State version of Isis for it. As I said, one of the least serious reasons to hate the terrorist group. But I think it might be unfair to blame Trump for inability to stream the Secrets of Isis.

  3. By that reasoning, we could literally never bring any troops back from anywhere. Got to admit though, leaving Kurds to be cut up by Turks shows a special ignorance of history.

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