“White House counselor Kellyanne Conway announced Sunday evening she will leave her post at the end of the month while her husband, George Conway, said he was withdrawing from The Lincoln Project, both citing a need to focus on their family.”
(The family crisis is real. They have several adolescent children, so there’s home schooling, and the usual teen angst, and one of their daughters is seeking emancipation at 15. That daughter holds fierce anti-Trump convictions, but she says that’s not the reason she seeks her freedom.)
Do your homework on the specifics. And read some history while you’re at it.
And I am waiting for a new non-Republican party to show up. Depending on how badly the party blows up when the RRight & TeaParty types go at it in 24, we may be seeing it as soon as 28. The current GOP is beyond repair and beneath contempt. I’ll feel a whole lot better when it’s gone.
Yeah …like see
Ronald Reagan’s economic policies, dubbed “Reaganomics”, included large tax cuts and were characterized as trickle-down economics. In this picture, he is outlining his plan for the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 from the Oval Office in a televised address, July 1981
Trickle-down economics, also called trickle-down theory, refers to the economic proposition that taxes on businesses and the wealthy in society should be reduced as a means to stimulate business investment in the short term .
Bill, you’re letting Reagan off way too easy. Remember who said,”Voodoo Economics”, and to whom?
And I don’t know who first said “trickle down”, but I do remember when somebody said this:
“I mean, Kemp-Roth [Reagan’s 1981 tax cut] was always a Trojan horse to bring down the top rate…. It’s kind of hard to sell ‘trickle down.’ So the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really ‘trickle down.’ Supply-side is ‘trickle-down’ theory. . . . None of us really understands what’s going on with all these numbers,”
–David Stockman, Ronald Reagan’s OMB Director
Reagan did at least appeared to later realize he had screwed up with his tax cuts and went back and raised taxes, but it was too late, and the Republicans have stuck to trickle down in various guises ever since.
I probably did. And I do (Bush1, Reagan). Actually the only fiscal conservative President we’ve had since JFK was probably Clinton
(hurts my fingers to type that).
One thing nobody ever gives Reagan credit for – and they should- was letting Volcker do his thing to clean out the inflation LBJ had originally created in the 60s. Most of the anguished screaming about Volcker’s high interest rates was coming from his own party. If Trump ever caught that kind of flack from his big donors he’d cave in a second. And of course Carter should get credit for appointing the man in the first place (even if he stuck us at Treasury with “G. Miller Miller” in the process).
Well enough fiscals for me for one day. Time to go off and concentrate on the Tribe beating the Twinkies.
Supply side econ has always been bullshit, the irony is to make it look somewhat successful you need to have a competitive boom market to claim you’re letting competition loose.
Well, the irony is the day before Reagan’s tax cut happened, the IBM PC was released. It was also an ‘off the shelf’ PC, which allowed competitors to blow up – all they had to do is reverse engineer the BIOS in a white room for IBM PC compatibility.
So the PC-tech boom really started in the 80s and it was also the wild west since you didn’t have large conglomerates suing the shit out of everyone based on ridiculous intellectual property laws. Or super proprietary systems that make it impossible to compete with companies like Apple or Amazon.
But forgot trying to tie the conditions to even make a claim where supply side could appear good, despite destroying the deficit, all you have to do is look at the Trump corporate tax cuts. When it dropped to 20%, what happened? More stock buybacks, so that executives up their compensation, hoard more money for M&A to buy off competition, cause more employees to lose their jobs over ‘redundancies’ and cause higher consumer prices by eliminating competitors.
That’s the reality of supply side econ. Turns out letting already greedy corporations to have more money, doesn’t actually create better jobs, lower prices, or anything that benefits society. Shocker!
Horseshit. It has changed in every major area – economics, foreign policy, climate, guns, environment, immigration, church/state separation – since the early 90s. Your stuff is as untrue and stupid as present-day “Republicans” calling Democrats “nuts and traitors”.
The GOP has been obsessed with lower taxes for the wealthy since RR. That hasn’t changed.
The original concept was lower taxes- for everyone – but not let the deficit go out of whack. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that. Reagan actually cut back on the cuts – there was bitching but he was Reagan so it stuck. When Bush 1 tried that the shitheads revolted and you had Buchanan/Perot – and President Clinton. After that the Party in general (sure as shit not me) bought into Grover Norquist’s Endless Tax cut Bowl. After 92 is when the Party adopted fiscal irresponsibility as a way of life.
Nice try… Reagan’s trickle down was the idea that the rich need much larger tax cuts than the rest. And that’s what happened. You’re a revisionist.
No, just someone who actually remembers that stuff from having been around.
Maybe you’re memory is playing tricks on you…? Suggest you read up on things.
Done that too. The notion was largely pushed by Jack Kemp who was not any kind of trickle-downer (“trickle-down” being mostly a term concocted by Democrats to lampoon the concept). And it was essentially not any different than what Kennedy had been doing in the 60s. Obviously a lot of rich Republicans fell in love with their tax cuts and pushed for more. But that wasn’t the original impetus. And the the deficits don’t count crap didn’t take over the party until after 92.
And just maybe you should take your read up and memory shit and either stick it up your ass use it more properly on the mindlessly partisan likes of the Bonk.
Can you explain to me which GOP Potus was for reasonable tax cuts?
Reagan Thru Trump – Massive deficits
Nixon – ???
Ike – ??? Taxes we’re pretty high during his term.
Harding/Hoover/Coolidge – Corrupt dipshits who didn’t know how to run an economy
Rooseveldt – Progressive. Didn’t the GOP purge the party of progressives after his term?
“Rooseveldt – Progressive. Didn’t the GOP purge the party of progressives after his term?”
The moderates were so thoroughly purged that their people were nominated in 48, 52, 56, & 60. and then 68, 72, 76, and then 88 & 92. However the Democrats did rid themselves of certain Progressives, notably Henry Wallace, in 44 & 48.
Bush 2 & Trump were the first ones who cut taxes with no consideration of the deficit. Reagan & Bush 1 no.
Tanner, don’t stick anything up your ass but don’t be telling a 72-year old that he has memory problems either. We get crusty about that sort of thing
Moderates aren’t necessarily progressive. Nixon and Bush 1 weren’t moderate or progressive for their time. Relative to the wingnuts of today they might be. Ike was something else but that’s why he’s considered on of the better Presidents.
Suffice to say the low tax, low deficit GOP president is a fantasy. Reagan thru Trump all ran large deficits. Your only cited example of a president who reduced taxes without deficit spending was JFK. A democrat.
Since Reagan and probably earlier:
Economics – Tax cuts for the rich, deficits for everyone else
Foreign Policy – Kick their ass, take their gas
Climate/Environment – We’ll do whatever the oil industry allows us to do
Immigration – Racist party has gotten more racist
Guns – Love that NRA money. Love it
Church and State – GOGO Culture Wars. Also no abortion and no black kids at religious private schools
Ike’s been gone for a long time. His GOP effectively died with him. If that’s your GOP, then I suggest you find a new party since that party aint coming back.
Cliff’s notes version is, you can probably consider every Republican President outside of Lincoln, Teddy, and Ike on a scale from pure evil to moderately incompetent as a net negative for society. Granted, I haven’t dove into the fine details of Lincoln to Roosevelt Presidencies, or Ford’s Presidency.
You can dredge up all kinds of shit if you go looking for it. LBJ was better than every GOP president since Ike but he was also a racist insecure asshole who expanded the Vietnam war.
It’s the Trump Party now. No platform, just an oath of fealty to the Orange Buffoon.
No principles, not conservative and not Republican.
The GOP has a platform that hasn’t changed in decades. Give the people a distraction whilst rich assholes loot the country. Trump is just the most recent distraction.
Bill’s post here says the same thing I did, only with 98% less fat, Thanks for making me look like a windbag, Bill. 🙂
hard to think of a more (famous) dichotomous couple. Hope they can come together for the kids
Their daughter says that she doesn’t agree with her dad on anything except Trump’s character. Apparently there isn’t any real difference between the Conways on ideology. It’s just specifically a Trump character issue.
In the Republican Party it seems you have principled conservatives and conservatives without principles, with the latter group much larger than the former. I guess there are a large number of registered Republicans that genuinely love Trump because they like his style or the way he is constantly on the attack. But among the more intellectual Republicans, the majority of them have decided that Trump with all his faults is better than having a Democrat in the White House. Having made that decision, they have decided that they need to support Trump at all times on every issue. To me those people have lost all credibility. There are some conservatives that will criticize Trump when they feel he deserves it but still say having him in office instead of a Democrat is the lesser of two evils. Others are joining the Lincoln Project.
I consider myself a principled conservative. I am in perhaps a fortunate position since I live in New York, I can vote against Trump without fear that my vote will affect the election. I do not want Trump to win. But… While Biden has been fairly moderate over his career, when I hear Bernie Sanders saying that based on the platform he got Biden to agree to, Biden will be the most progressive president in history, I start to worry. The center of the Democratic party is moving further and further to the left. Shootings in NYC are up over 140% compared to last year and their are people including the mayor that say cutting the NYPD budget by $1 Billion will somehow make people safer. That’s insane, but fundamentally a local issue. But there are some insane ideas on the national level as well. I worry that Joe Biden will go along with what the left wants instead of being a voice of moderation. Then again maybe Joe Biden will take it upon himself to be a voice of moderation and compromise. That’s what the country needs right now. It is pretty certain that Trump wont do that.
So you’re…glad your vote doesn’t count? I’m happy to hear the Electoral College is working for *somebody*.
Wow…that’s a lot of nonsense.
It takes a lot of boatload of words to reconcile things that are irreconcilable, Tanner. It requires a lot of handwaving and pointing at irrelevancies.
How can anyone with GOOD principles remain in a party that is a willing slave to Trump? You can have principles, sure, like “billionaires should get whatever they want, because they are all John Galts”, but those are not admirable principles – not to me, anyway.
Being principled and being a Republican is not a thing a person can actually be now, because a person cannot be opposed to Trump and be a Republican now, and you cannot be principled in a good way without being opposed to Trump. If that is wrong, tell me where, and don’t take 10,000 words to do it.
I was a Republican long before Trump. He hijacked my party, but it is my hope that it will recover after he leaves office. In the meantime I don’t see any particular benefit in changing my party registration. I may well want to vote in a future GOP primary. Also, I think the most likely outcome of the election is Biden wins. So I hope the Republicans can hold on to the Senate to blunt (what I fear) are the worst ideas of the Democrats.
Sorry, you’re mistaken.
Jesse Helms hijacked your party.
Roger Aisles hijacked your party.
Newt Gingrich hijacked your party.
The Kochs hijacked your party.
Your party has been hijacked for a long time. You just refused to notice until a clown got elected POTUS. Although electing Dubya wasn’t a brilliant move either.
PS Running up the deficit to give tax breaks to rich people is a far worse idea than anything the Dems could come up with.
I have no interest in getting into a wide ranging debate on the merits of the Republican Platforms versus the Democratic Platforms. We have rather strong disagreements on policy and we aren’t going to agree. But I am curious about one thing. If Helms, Aisles, Gingrich and the Koch’s hijacked the Republican party, who exactly did they hijack it from? If not for their actions, what would the party stand for today?
Look, Michael McC, the people of the South could hope it would recover and become a decent (non-slave-owning) place after the Confederacy had been crushed. The people of Germany could hope for the same thing after the Nazis had been crushed. That is kind of what you are hoping for about the Republican Party.
But those were physical places that still existed at the end of their defeats, and nobody was in the mood to commit genocide. The Republican Party is a group of people that believe in similar political things. Now what they believe in is Trump, first, last, and apparently only, if the RNC is to be believed.
What is the value in restoring it, with all its baggage and entanglements? It’s always going to be the people who got down on their knees and worshiped Trump. You should want to start something new, from the ground up, and explicitly repudiate Trump. Not wanting to do that saddles you with him, no matter how many words you use to explain him away.
The GOP is just the OP now. Trump burnt it to the ground, with the willing assistance of people like Mitch McConnell. Let it go. The Federalists had to and did, the Whigs had to and did, you can too. Much good could come of it.
“If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.”
Dwight Eisenhower