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Thanks very much for your posts to these threads, UncleScoopy. I hope you post similar things elsewhere, where more people will read them.
I am starting a new sub-thread here to reply to Michael McChesney’s reply to my question about why he belongs to the Republican Party, and what he is for, rather than against.
First, thanks for your civil and intelligent reply. I would not have blamed you if you had not bothered to reply to me, because I once told you to go fuck yourself. Thank you for not holding a grudge.
Second, I will not argue with any of the things you are for, except one, which I will do below. They are all good points to have positions for; they are what a political party should be about. We may not agree on them, but they are subjects for legitimate differences of opinion, and you are likely to have put more thought into them than I have.
Third, I will still wonder why you are a member of the Republican Party. To me, they no longer actually care about any of the things you list. What I would say is that for the past 30 years or so at the national level, they have existed to pander to the kind of people who are now Trump supporters, and to serve the wishes of wealthiest class of people and the biggest corporations of America. They are an empty shell when it comes to anything else, and after 30 years, is there much hope of change?
As usual, UncleScoopy has made a much better case than I have in his paragraph above starting “The problem with the party now is not just Donald Trump”. (This habit of his makes reading here rewarding, and writing here frustrating.)
Finally, I would disagree with you about not forcing a baker to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. That seems like a very slippery slope. Could bakers also refuse to make cakes for black people, or for Jews? You know, if they said that was against their religion, which I assume is that basis for your point? Given the kind of people who loudly claim to know exactly what God wants, and the shocking things they claim that is, I am very dubious about giving people that kind of escape clause for their bigotry and hate.
I too do not like making people do things they hate. But that had to be done with regard to blacks, and Jews, and women It is hard to see why gay people should be an exception.
Pelosi says she spoke to nation’s top military leader about ensuring Trump doesn’t launch a nuclear attack.
Things are going “swimmingly.”
Actually to Michael. If you think the Sedition Party, or as Dimwit Jr. calls it, “the Trump Republican Party”, has any kind of future left you are a fool. And if you’re cool with 700,000 draftable taxable citizens in the heart of the Continental US not having a vote of any sort in Congress or not even having the ability to call out the DC National Guard when we are being invaded by moronic thugs you’re worse than that.
And now for you Tanner. If you, a European, can’t spot Trump as being Berlusconi 2 (which is plenty bad enough) rather than resorting to the usual feeble Hitler comparison, maybe you’d best read up a bit more on the Fuehrer. Kershaw would be a good start. If Trump had the capabilities, the ideological directedness or the brains of a Hitler, this country would be 10 times deeper in shit than it is.
Thanks, Bill. So many people here can say what I think better than I can. And know more than I do. I can tell you a lot about Neville Chamberlain, but I know zip about Berlusconi.
Re Berlusconi, does the phrase “Bunga Bunga” ring any kind of bell? Btw, just staring “Britain at Bay 1937-41” Looks like a good one. I always have a very small soft spot amidst the scorn for Chamberlain for having thrown his weight behind the Spitfire program just in the nick. As Kenneth Clark said in another context, “By the skin of our teeth.”
No…Trump has Hitler not Berlusconi aspirations. Read “Mein Kampf” and learn. Mussolini called it a book of “little more than commonplace clichés,”…hardly the work of someone with brains.
A unique perspective there that Hitler had no brains. I guess he just lucked into power. And Mussolini as a source yet. That’s like citing Conrad von Hotzendorf on grand strategy.
I’ve read both Hitler books by the way. Have you?
Bill Deecee said” “That’s like citing Conrad von Hotzendorf on grand strategy.”
I laughed out loud at that. I choose to believe that is a good thing.
Ted Cruz has absolutely no interest in anything, no matter what he says, except his own political career. He views himself as the next Trump. He’ll say & do outrageously offensive & crazy things to get Trump’s base and then run as Trump II. Might even literally change his name to that. He’s just another lying weasel, but he won’t make it because the base of toothless inbred feces-worshipping freaks will have dried up considerably by then, or found some other Messiah to suck the cock of like Don Jr or Charlton Heston’s corpse or whoever.
I hope you are right, Dev J. One thing about Cruz that is both good and bad: he does not face election for another four years, I think. We have to put up with him for that long, but by then, reality may have dawned on a lot of the toothless inbreds.
Woody Allen once said he did not like reality, but it was the only place where you could get a good steak. They might discover the truth of that.
Such brave, brave Republicans to finally speak out yesterday after being in the belly of the beast. Glad to see that rhetoric of Trump supporting representatives cowering in fear behind their seats when the mob they created turns out to be everything with half a brain cell knows them to be.
The GOP started and embraced this damn mess. And not just now, it started with McConnell’s obstructionism 10 years ago, that some Southern piece of shit with a plantation mindset couldn’t stand a black man knowing his place. So what did he do? He railed out and obstructed every single piece of legislation in response for nearly a decade.
Conservatism is a failed ideology. Bottom line. You do nothing but push for authoritarianism in this country and across the world and then talk about ‘personal liberty’. You blame other countries and minorities for the countries problems and loss of jobs and crime, yet funnel all the money to corporate welfare and the top 1% who cause it! Then you bitch regulation is really the problem, then when the Great Depression or Recession happen, because giving power, money, and no checks and balance for the people who lust for those things to begin turn out to be bad for everyone – THIS is what happens!
Rather than admit the ideology is failed, it turns into a continuing decent into madness. The tide turned with the Southern strategy of not being to be overtly racist, so let Reagan let the rich have everything they want and destroy the deficit, but talk about welfare queens. Let the HIV pandemic run wild to what it is today, but make jokes about homosexuals while it turns out to eat society alive. Glorify the living large life of cocaine and Wall Street, but throw a black man in prison for decades for the same drug in solid form.
The GOP and the rest of you conservative shitheads started this, because with every failed policy that turned out to hurt everyone except the wealthy, came propaganda that enabled a bunch of neo-Nazi cultists to do what they did yesterday.
Fuck Trump, and fuck the Republicans, and anyone who supports conservatives. I hope you get everything you deserve in life and Trump turns his cult directly against yourselves for enabling this shit for the past 40 years that led up to this point.
I’m with you on this one. If Biden, like Obama, comes in all Let’s look forward not back, he won’t be doing his job. (So that’s still what I’m expecting from him.) And whoever shot that lady dead should get serious slam time.
As opposed to all those cops who shoot black Americans and get off scot-free?
It took Rubio about five seconds after Biden’s speech yesterday to say he’s being polarizing. It will take approximately that much time after Biden is inaugurate for McConnell and the rest to do the same. It doesn’t matter who it is, or what you do, the Republican’s are like a plague. Anything you ever agree to do to work with them up front, they’ll change the goalposts more and more and then bitch the ‘other side’ is being unreasonable and are liberal extremists and begin the propaganda phase again.
There were dozens of meetings on the ACA for the GOP for input, but the fact that anyone in the general public could possibly have insurance without being a wage slave to giant corporations led to McConnell obstructing every single vote from then on.
That’s how they do it. The GOP and Republicans are a group of people that hold people hostage, and don’t necessarily give a shit if their own people die. They have nothing to lose, because they know the people that vote for them are so brainwashed, they can funnel all their money and rights to the wealthy and then just say its the other side. It’s that simple.
Thank, Indy, I had not heard that about Rubio. BIDEN being polarizing?! Jeebus. UncleScoopy is right about the Republican Party: never again.
I was going to suggest it was bad for you to be so angry, mentally and even physically, but I can’t say you are wrong about anything. And anger is an effective motivator. As the Right knows all too well.
You’ve got something bigly in common with Trump in wanting to be able to shut down media you find obnoxious. But that pesky First Amendment is gonna put the kibosh on that. The existence of batshit craziness is the price you have to pay for free speech and press.
Dylan’s song Jokerman had a take on this:
“Freedom just around the corner for you, but with truth so far off, what good will it do?”
For Dylan, I think this clearly had a double meaning. The ‘truth’ here refers to both Jesus (I am the way, the truth and the life), but I think clearly also refers to people being honest.
If politics is dominated by dishonesty and people have to make choices based on lies, what good is freedom?
If there was a single cell of backbone in the entire Republican Party, the 25th Amendment and/or impeachment proceedings would occured yesterday.
Even those who “condemned” the violence wouldn’t mention Trump by name.
There is only one reason I might oppose removing Trump via the 25th Amendment. I suppose Trump’s refusal to accept objective reality could be considered a mental illness/impairment thus justifying a finding he is incapacitated. The problem is that removing him won’t shut him up and he would undoubtedly shout about the “coup” from the highest mountaintop. Too many of his supporters are likely to believe it was a coup possibly encouraging more violence. But at some point you have to stop worrying about what raving conspiracy theorists believe and do what’s best for the country. The all important question in my mind is whether what Trump might do in the next 13 days is worse than the damage that would be done by removing him early.
One thing we can probably be sure will NOT happen is a Trump resignation followed by a pardon by Pence. Although if I were Pence, I might consider offering Trump a pardon conditioned on Trump telling the nation his investigations have been completed and it turns out he was misinformed, Biden won fair & square. I doubt Trump would accept though.
I have never longed for the start of a Democratic presidential administration so much in my life. Just when you start to think Trump has gone as low as he would go he goes lower. Even after yesterday, after what his “big lie” has done to our country, he has only doubled down on it. Clearly, all he cares about is having his ego stroked. He gets off on those rallies and the adoration of his most loyal supporters. He probably fears that will go away if he ever admits the truth, that Biden won both decisively and fairly.
My mother and I used to disagree about the relative importance of character versus ideology. My mother thought character was more important while I disagreed. It’s not that I didn’t think character was important. It was just that if given the choice between a highly principled candidate promising to enact policies I thought were bad for the country and a less honorable one that shared my ideology I would probably vote for the one that claimed to agree with me, at least in a general election. But in my mind there was always a floor, a point at which a candidate’s bad character became more important than ideology. Trump was below that floor in 2016 and I voted against him. I voted against him again in 2020. I am glad I did, because I am not sure I could live with myself if I had voted for him. Trump is without a doubt the worst president in the history of the United States.
Well…. Bush might still be worse. He started two wars for spurious reasons, didn’t pay for them and then drove the economy off the cliff. He was given two years vs Trump’s one though.
Buchanan is worse than both.
Trump has managed to slither under Harding.
To slightly paraphrase Bum Phillips (about Earl Campbell), Trump is in his own class and there is no need to call the roll.
Was that actually Mike Pence last night? One mightily pissed-off Hoosier. Good little speech, as was McConnell’s.
If this disgusting one-off mob action is as bad as it gets – and trashing the Capitol is pretty damn bad – I’m actually a little relieved. I thought there was a pretty good chance that the Orange Buffoon would make some sort of serious gunned-up attempt to retain power. Of course there are still two weeks left.
If this happens a month ago I’m looking for the 25th, or better, another impeachment. Right now I’ m just going with get to work. There’s a lot of serious damage from the last four years for the new Congress to be correcting.
Thinking that Trump as much as anyone contributed to the Ga. results. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer pair than Perdue and Kelly. Don’t let the door..
And oh yeah, GO BROWNS!!!!!!!!!!
As a Republican, I would have preferred the GOP retain Senate control. But given recent events I can’t really say they deserved to retain it. Interestingly enough, the election may have made Joe Manchin the second most powerful man in Washington D.C. I hope that means the Biden Administration will govern primarily from the center and will seek bipartisan agreement on most legislation even if only Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski go along with it on the GOP side. I think passing the Affordable Care Act with only Democratic votes was a tactical mistake. Susan Collins was open to voting for the act if she was allowed some input into it. But regardless of whether her input could have improved it, freezing her out of the process allowed the GOP to oppose it with a united front.
Joe Manchin is likely to face tremendous pressure from the left. But that pressure could backfire. The last time a political party controlled the White House, House of Representatives and control of the Senate via the VP as tiebreaker was 20 years ago. That only lasted a few months before Lincoln Chafee decided to caucus with the Democrats giving them control. The GOP retook the Senate in the 2002 midterms, but that was primarily a function of George W. Bush’s personal popularity in the wake of 9/11. The president’s party almost always loses seats in midterm elections. That would bode well for the GOP in 2022. But Trump could damage the GOP even after he leaves office. William F. Buckley Jr. through National Review led an effort to drive the John Birchers out of the GOP. I worry we will need a similar effort to drive out the Trumpers.
As an American I prefer that McConnell not be able to do a clampdown on Biden being able to do anything or nominate anyone.
And the two departing Senators, Perdue a corrupt scuzzball. Loeffler a corrupt scuzzball, a member of the the Electoral College Coup Group, and both of them demanding that the Ga. SoS resign, are no loss to anyone.
As a human, I think it’s totally worth the trouble to get Trump the fuck out of there for the final 2 weeks. Impeach him, 25th him, whatever it takes. He’s never been fit for the job or wanted to do it, but it’s clear now that he’s a danger.
Michael
Under normal circumstances I might like to see Republicans control the Senate, but the one thought I fall back on is that they will not be able to continue their bogus investigations. We still have people like Ron Johnson and Ted Cruz who are rotten to their very cores, and would use committee chairmanships for all kinds of pernicious nonsense.
I do hope that the Democrats do not take a page from that particular playbook. The Dems need to railroad through some things like statehood for DC and Puerto Rico, but I really hope they don’t go on an investigative witch hunt for political gain.
Why are you a Republican, Michael McChesney? What are you for, rather than against?
Expect the typical vague responses that never bear out in fact when talking about why someone is a Republican, or that are that totally hypocritical Roger.
Strong believer in personal liberty – just as long as if a women wants to eliminate the risk of death to her own life by not going through with childbirth, which has killed millions of women throughout history, then throw her in jail for that. Can’t have that.
Cutting the deficit, except for you know, when voting to give corporate welfare and cut corporate taxes 15%, and give Northrup Grumman and Lockheed a blank check.
Freedom of religion so when fake Christians who could give an ever living shit less of the actual teachings of Jesus of Nazareth and mimic the exact Pharisees he railed against, can make up an excuse to discriminate because of some warped Old Testament verse taken out of context they can selectively choose.
You know, all the important stuff based on the great principles that Republican voters have.
Scoop. Are you saying you want he Democrats to ram through DC and Puerto Rican statehood? I don’t see that happening because Joe Manchin promised that he would not vote to eliminate the filibuster. He is probably not the only Democratic senator that would want to keep it. The fact is that even if you are in the majority today, your party will sooner or later be in the minority and you will be glad the filibuster still exists.
Roger. Indy seems to have wanted to preempt my answer. But the fact is I do believe in personal liberty. I describe myself as libertarian leaning rather than a libertarian because I do believe in a social safety net. As a former attorney, I still care a great deal about judicial nominations. I think judges should follow the law as written instead of finding it in the laws penumbras and emanations. I think that everything else being equal (that is a very important qualifier) lower marginal tax rates lead to more economic growth. That doesn’t mean I think any and all tax cuts are a good idea. I also believe reduced regulation can lead to increased economic growth. But obviously some regulations are essential. The economic costs of regulations need to be balanced against the regulations benefits. I think that competition and free markets lead to increased efficiencies. Government monopolies, whether in public education or healthcare, hurt the consumer. I am a firm believer in freedom of religion even if I do not have religious beliefs. I was raised Catholic but came out as agnostic when I was 16. I supported same sex marriage long before Barack Obama did so publicly. But I don’t believe a baker should be forced to create a cake for a same sex wedding if he is morally opposed. Despite not believing in God, I am pro life. I am sure that is in part because of my Catholic upbringing. But I have a non-religious reason as well. But if carrying a pregnancy to term puts a woman’s life in danger, I believe she should have a right to end the pregnancy.
Indy. You are right that many Republicans, particularly elected ones, abandon the principles they claim to hold dear once in office or once the GOP controls the White House. Deficits only seem to matter if a Democrat is president. But just because they have abandoned their beliefs, doesn’t mean I have. I believe what I believe, though I am open to changing some of those beliefs if I am presented with convincing evidence that a belief is in error.
“Scoop. Are you saying you want he Democrats to ram through DC and Puerto Rican statehood?”
Yes, I am saying that. They should do whatever is necessary to do that. (And statehood cannot be undone.)
“The fact is that even if you are in the majority today, your party will sooner or later be in the minority and you will be glad the filibuster still exists.”
No, you miss my point. The whole point of admitting those states, and doing whatever else is necessary, is to make sure that the Republican party, as it currently exists, can never again get a majority in the Senate.
The problem with the party now is not just Donald Trump. Remember his impeachment trial? It was completely obvious that (1) Trump did what he was accused of; (2) what he was accused of was an impeachable offense. His defenders didn’t even really try to present a defense. Despite that, 50 Republican senators voted to exonerate him. Those votes were completely corrupt. They were given a choice between voting for Trump and voting for America, and 50 of them cast a “Fuck America” vote. We must not forget that. Only one senator in the entire party had the guts to acknowledge the truth. We MUST keep these people from ever gaining power again, through any legal means. The party is corrupt to its very foundation.
The point of eliminating the filibuster is to set the wheels in motion so that it will not be possible for the move to backfire in the future. If you have to, gerrymander California into ten blue states. Whatever it takes within the law. The stakes are too high, and the time for correction is too short. America has to cut the legs off from the “Fuck America” party.
If anybody cares, I think I’ve analyzed the difference between Trump and his supporters and ‘mainstream’ Republican voters and politicians.
Donald Trump, to the degree that he has genuine political views rather than just self interest, is a fascist, modeled, at least stylistically, after Mussolini.
Modern Republicans are neo-feudalists who want to make America the feudalist state that the world has been for much of its civilized history: a coalition of wealthy and religious elites that keep most every one else as peasants and exploit them as needed.
Trump and his idiot supporters want a strongman dictator with no interest in anything approaching even the semblance of democracy, while neo-feudalists like Mitch McConnell want an illiberal democracy with de jure democratic institutions. This is the situation in many nations in the world throughout history. Even Putin has a paper parliament elected with universal suffrage as did the Soviet Union dictators before him.
I think Trump reminds me more of Hitler everyday than of Mussolini. Just watch a Nuremberg rally on YouTube…
Scoop,
There is actually a legal argument that it would take a a Constitutional amendment to make the District of Columbia a state. I don’t know how strong that argument is because I have never really looked at it in any detail. But even if the Democrats do end the filibuster and succeed at adding 2 states with 4 likely Democratic senators, the GOP would eventually regain a senate majority. If the Senate has 104 members, a majority is only 53 (52 with the VP). The GOP has had more than 53 senate seats in the not too distant past. They will someday have at least 53 again. If the GOP did regain complete control of the federal government, there are things the GOP could do to try an undo some of the advantages those 4 extra seats gave the Democrats. For instance it would probably be possible to carve a new red state out of California. Or how about North and South Idaho? But fortunately Joe Manchin has pledged to preserve the filibuster. I really hope he keeps that promise.
I was not proposing DC and PR statehood as the end of the process, but the beginning. I propose that that Democrats, while they have power, should take every legal means to assure that the Trump Party can never again gain power. If it takes gerrymandering California into 10 blue states, that’s what they should do. (And each of those will still have six times as many people as Wyoming.) Basically, America should treat the Trump Party as Germany treated the Nazi party after the war. Nie wieder.
(And the California plan does not require a constitutional amendment. Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1 makes it clear that it only takes the consent of the California legislature and the Congress.)
As I’ve pointed out many times, it is the Senate which is at the heart of our problems. The senators are split 50-50, but the number of people they represent are split 61-39. That, in essence, also gives the party formerly known as Republicans a 22 vote head start in the Electoral College.
So the first priority of fixing the government should be to assure that the party of hate and lies is not OVERrepresented in government, which it now is. I have no problem with the party formerly known as Republicans getting 39% of the senators, as they deserve, and if they actually get the support of 51% of the people, then I will support them having 51 senators, but will consider a Canadian citizenship.
Somebody else on this forum suggested that conservatism is a failed ideology. I don’t necessarily agree with that, because I still consider myself a conservative in many ways, but I do agree that the people who currently call themselves conservatives are certainly a danger to the country, because the only way they can defend their outrageous ideology is with lies. We need to let a new conservatism evolve, one that will be able to match liberalism fact-for-fact.
I don’t like to repeat Twitter threads, but this one from historian Timothy Snyder is worth noting:
1. The claim that Trump won the election is a big lie.
2. A big lie changes reality. To believe it, people must disbelieve their senses, distrust their fellow citizens, and live in a world of faith.
3. A big lie demands conspiracy thinking, since all who doubt it are seen as traitors.
4. A big lie undoes a society, since it divides citizens into believers and unbelievers.
5. A big lie destroys democracy, since people who are convinced that nothing is true but the utterances of their leader ignore voting and its results.
6. A big lie must bring violence, as it has.
7. A big lie can never be told just by one person. Trump is the originator of this big lie, but it could never have flourished without his allies on Capitol Hill.
8. Political futures now depend on this big lie. Senators Hawley and Cruz are running for president on the basis of this big lie.
9. There is a cure for the big lie. Our elected representatives should tell the truth, without dissimulation, about the results of the 2020 election.
10. Politicians who do not tell the simple truth perpetuate the big lie, further an alternative reality, support conspiracy theories, weaken democracy, and foment violence far worse than that of January 6, 2021.
As to the Constitutional objection to DC citizenship, that is easily overcome by keeping a tiny Federal district which essentially has a population of the first family and nobody else. It is not important to give the vote to the historic buildings, but it is essential to give the vote to the many people who live there. DC has more people than Wyoming, with no senators to Wyoming’s 2. It’s difficult for me to believe that Jefferson and Hamilton and the others envisioned such an injustice as the proper prescription for government. As for Puerto Rico, it has more people than the Dakotas, Wyoming and Alaska added together. They have no senators, while those people have 8.
Adding the DC and PR is still not correcting the inequality created by the many empty states created from the deserted former Nebraska Territory. Those two new states, with four million people, would only have four senators, while Wyoming, Montana, Nebraska and the Dakotas, with slightly more people, have ten senators.
But at least it is a start.
(This is essentially the same point I have made about the senators from states like Wyoming. Just as buildings should not get votes, neither should trees. Why do California’s PEOPLE have the same number of votes as Wyoming’s TREES. Did our founding fathers really think that trees should get the vote? If so, they were not as smart as I think they were.)
The argument on the filibuster is that Republicans can only win by blocking Democratic legislation and then going on about how Democrats do nothing (like doing nothing to help white working class voters.)
Whether, politicians can do anything to ease the anxiety of working class voters is another issue, but…
While there is always a possibility of Democratic overreach without the filibuster, I think it is far more likely that Democrats have more than enough ‘low hanging fruit’ to pass popular legislation that would demonstrate their ability to provide ‘good government’ that would keep them in power for a generation.
I think we have clearly seen this in Colorado and Virginia. Not that there haven’t been conflicts, like over fracking in Colorado, but once the Democrats got into power in those states, they have shown themselves capable of governing and have retained their majorities (with the exception of the Virginia State Senate which the Democrats took for the first time in years in 2019.)
There are other problems with the filibuster, for instance, that it benefits the status quo, but politically, this is why it’s bad for the Democrats.
Oh yeah, in Virginia, there was one Republican governor after Mark Warner and Tim Kaine, and he was so bad that even the oily Democrat Terry McCauliffe succeeded him.
No…Stacey Abrams is largely responsible for the Georgia results and deserves the credit with an assist from Trump.
I think Adam T’s posts above are excellent, especially the one about the distinction between Trump and McConnell. What McConnell is working towards, no matter what he himself thinks he is doing (i.e., making the United Stares “a coalition of wealthy and religious elites that keep most every one else as peasants and exploit them as needed”) is exactly the reason the wealthiest people in America bought the Republican Party 30 or 40 years ago.
I am also glad to see him post again; it seemed to me he had been absent for a while.
The distinction between Trump and McConnell is like the distinction between shit and crap. But Adam, thank you for mentioning it again: in the Soviet Union, everyone got to vote. Despite Major Garrett jizzing all over the evening news about our sacred democracy being defiled etc., voting is a start but without good choices on the ballot (and honest people counting them), we could just as well be buying lotto tickets instead.
Going after Bin Laden was a spurious reason? Tommy Frank’s incompetence and mission creep are the villains there.
Yes. It was always an intelligence operation. War proved to be totally unnecessary.
Hell, Clinton had plans to track down Bin Laden after WTC Attempt 1 but Bush didn’t seem to give a shit until it bit him in the ass.
True, playgroundpsychotic. And that bite in the ass was the best thing that ever happened to him. It gave him everything he ever wanted.
This would have been better than what actually happened. Or, I should say, what Trump incited and allowed to happen.
Don’t you watch Newsmax? Those weren’t Trump supporters attacking the Capitol. They were from Antifa and Black Lives Matter. ( knew it all along. They really had that Black Lives Matter look about them.)
Funny…didn’t see a single African-American in the footage….but I did see a lot of Confederate flags. Talk about a failed democracy…I now refer to the US as Bananistan with Ted Cruz playing the obligatory Nazi role…
I look forward to the time when the people who were actually there, storming the Capitol, believe that, UncleScoopy. I wonder how long that will take? Years, months, or hours?
Oh, and Tanner? Your contempt for America is making me as sick of you as I am of Steverino. Is that what the effect you wanted to have on your readers here?
You’re in denial in what your country has become. One of my Swiss compatriots put it succinctly: “This will be a historic day. In infamy. Its wake will be felt for many years.”
And what do you think your posts achieve, exactly? “Well, Tanner says America is a worthless lost cause that’s been evil since God knows when. Gee, that’s that’s just what I needed to get straight in my head!”
Oh no. No one’s unclear about this. We’ve had four years of “facts aren’t real”, Fuckstick’s acolytes oinking along, and the media pretending this is a valid opinion/viewpoint. Let’s hope its wake *is* felt for many years and people leave their bullshit detectors switched on.
I just heard a BBC report that 45 percent of Republican voters feel that storming the Capitol building was the right thing to do. And one suspects that the numbers who believe the “election was stolen” narrative would likely be significantly larger. As I said…a very thin thread.
I have a hard time blaming all those ignoramuses. Their “leaders” have been selling them a bill of goods for years, and they believe it. Those people who stormed the Capitol really believe they are patriots trying to save America, and they really believe that the election was stolen. Why shouldn’t they? Their leaders are telling them that, and their media outlets are echoing those assertions. For heaven’s sake, the President of the USA sanctioned their actions. It’s not unfair to argue that he ordered those actions.
So, I don’t blame those gullible dimwits. I do blame the people who are manipulating them, and although Trump is the worst one, he’s not the only one.
This isn’t new. Republican presidents like Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George W Bush have used people like these before, but Trump is the first one who emboldened them so completely.
This is from a 1968 Mad Magazine, so, Plus Ca Change
A pity when that many people are unable to actually think for themselves…see Nazi Germany.
Watch this video… https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/opinion/capitol-riot-america.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage§ion=Opinion
“The phrase ‘this is not who we are’ has become a very common refrain in American English. It is a knee-jerk response used when confronted with mounting evidence of the capacity for White violence and attacks on democracy.”
Unfortunately, a lot truth in that. And the case can be made that Black Americans played a major role in at least postponing the demise of democracy in America. It’s still only hanging by a very slender thread.
Tanner that is where you are wrong our democracy is strong enough to take a hit, but come back even stronger.That is why its the best country in the world.
Yeah I knew they were going to come with that false-flag bullshit, but usually it has to gestate for a while before you hear about it – I was figuring a couple weeks at least. Then I sit down at my computer and see that douche from Texas already had it rolled out.
Some weird flags too, at the event. There was one vaguely German-looking one all in black, white, and green. Then there was the “Trump 2020 No More Bullshit,” all I could think was Make up your mind.
They are quick to tell their viewers whatever lies they need to to keep them coming back and not questioning their beliefs (which are based on more lies they have told them).
IMO, anyway. Maybe that’s just what gets ratings instead of “The people who really believe what we tell them and act on it are violent dopes who can storm a building and then utterly fail to achieve what they set out to do, and instead mobilize their opponents against them.”
What is the rule, or is there a rule at all, for revoking business or media license to shutdown ultra right wing, batshit brainwashing media like Newsmax?
If people are fed with and consuming ultra rightwing non-sensical alternate facts, then they’re going to live in a different reality and democracy will no longer work when there’s enough people who consume the wrong info.
You would think that to call yourselves a news network, you would have to broadcast, you know, news. But Fox News has declared, in court, that it is an entertainment network, and no reasonable person could be expected to believe the stuff it puts out. Maybe that just applied to its pundits, but you can find out via Google.
PS – I think something called the “equal time doctrine” imposed by the FCC used to play a role here, but I think Reagan got rid of that.