The kids felt “they had to maintain order when no one else would”

That is Tucker Carlson’s take on the murder of the Kenosha protesters.

Actually, he’s right to say we should not be shocked by their actions. He’s just wrong about the reasons.

I’m not shocked at all that a teenager committed an act of violent mayhem in public with a powerful weapon in a country where a teenager can roam about with impunity in public with a powerful weapon. It’s completely obvious that it’s not a matter of whether these sorts of things will happen, but merely of when.

48 thoughts on “The kids felt “they had to maintain order when no one else would”

  1. Paul said: “Because in a world that is being pulled apart by extremists on both side…”

    This is a lie. The world is being pulled apart by extremists on the right, and only on the right. The right pretends the left is some kind of threat, as if Obamacare was an evil plot to destroy America, and as if AOC was Pol Pot in the making. Paul here is either stupid enough to believe that, or he is lying. Which is it, Paul?

      1. I call them Trumpers. “Trumpkin” makes them sound adorable. They are not, IMO.

        Really, though, I should call them Trump supporters, because giving people you disagree with a label is a step on the road to dehumanizing them. That is wrong, and I should leave such stuff to them.

        1. Trump supporters is good because it’s close to athletic supporters, though that almost makes them sound useful.

  2. My 1st memory of Reagan was when he hosted “Death Valley Days” ’64/’65. Brought to you by 20 Mule Team Borax.

    2nd memory was Bedtime for Bonzo! 😛

    Reagan was my C-in-C while serving in the USN.

    carry on …

    1. When I watched Death Valley Days, it was hosted by “The Old Ranger,” but was already sponsored by 20-Mule-Team Borax. I must be a little older.

      In those long-forgotten days, the Gipper was hosting the General Electric Theater, which I remember as boring. The Gipper sometimes brought his wife on during his hosting segment, and would occasionally have some dialogue with the guy who played “Mr Wizard” about the latest newfangled developments in consumer electronics.

      1. Ronald Reagan did an episode for the ‘Suspense’ radio show called Circumstantial Terror. Suspense is probably most famous for the episode “Sorry, Wrong Number” with Agnes Moorehead.

        Reagan’s episode is easily found on the internet and sort of fits here because it’s about a person who takes the law into their own hands.

        1. The radio play episode with the best parallels to today is a Dimension X (or X Minus One) episode called “The Vital Factor.” There are a couple differences, but the main character is a virtual copy of Trump. At one point the character even says “you’re fired!”

  3. Let me be clear about something else. This kid is an idiot for going there. He’s 17 years old and the cross state boundaries to go take part in a riot. He’s part of the problem. Also, his parents need to be held accountable for this happening.

    The bigger issue I have was the fact that the kid walked towards the police with a gun in his hand while people were screaming he shot people and the police let him go. That would not have happened if he was black. But I didn’t get into that in my original post because I was talking solely about Tucker Carlson’s comments being misconstrued, which I still believe they were.

    Tanner, why do you think I need help? Because in a world that is being pulled apart by extremists on both sides and extreme reactions in the moment on both sides I’m trying to take a more civil and objective approach? Black community is living in fear right now. They need help, but neither party has put forth any policies Or strategies to help. The Republicans keep looking at law and order, and the Democrats are excited about getting more votes. There is not been one policy I have seen from either candidate. That’s my frustration. But instead, this thread shows immediately that people who don’t know me rush to judgment without asking a question. Do you all could’ve followed up and asked me a question about well what about this, and I would be happy to answer And thereby create an actual conversation that is meaningful as opposed to barbs and slander going back-and-forth

    And yes, as a moderate I try to look at things objectively. In this one instance, not looking at any of the past but just this one instance, I believe his quotes are being taken out of context. As far as Biden versus trump, Scoopy with all due respect, I see Biden and his history of racial comments and legislation has being pretty piss poor.

    1. Carlson’s comments weren’t misconstrued because context of what he says and does on a daily basis matters. If the ‘inevitable consequence’ is some person tries to get involved for no reason for the perceived lack of lack of law and order, then the same case could be made for the abuse of and corruption of authority, and protection of the corruption. Protests and riots happen when some guy gets shot in the back 7 times for no reason – these aren’t rules of engagement by ANY standard, and ‘he could have did this’ is not a justification. Hence, this is why you have civil disobedience.

      And for those playing enlightened moderate, I mean Biden *IS* the moderate. The only thing that has changed on the political scale is the fact that the Republican Party has turned into a ultra-nationalist party of authoritarianism. The both sides ‘objective’ play of the enlightened moderate is a little ridiculous when one side at the table essentially wants to rule with an iron fist to no bargaining. It sure isn’t the Democrats blocking every reasonable bill that comes to the Senate while defending a nutjob of a President.

      10 weeks and its game over for this sham era.

      1. Indy said: “10 weeks and its game over for this sham era.”

        I am very much afraid that is wishful thinking, Indy. First, there is the strong chance, as I have harped on elsewhere here, that Trump will try to remain in power. No one knows what might come of that.

        Second, the people who support Trump, and the people who have been feeding those people lies for 40 years now are not going anywhere, and they will not have learned their lesson. There is NO chance the Trump will accept the election results gracefully if he loses. He will call them fraudulent, and many will believe him, if only because they want to. Trump may step down, but all the hate-filled who elected him will still be around. We will be in for a rough ride for a generation at least.

        IMO, anyway. What does UncleScoopy say? He is way smarter than I am. And it would be wonderful if Indy is right and I am wrong.

        But with Joe McCarthy. who is the most recent parallel to Trump, there came a time when people could see who he really was, and turned against him. Maybe not all of them, and maybe they did not turn against him, but they lost their enthusiasm. Trump’s supporters do not care who he really is. Who he really is has been obvious for a couple of years. They only seem to care that the people they hate hate Trump.

        1. PS – Otherwise I agree with everything Indy said, and he said it forcefully and concisely, a gift I do not have.

        1. Thanks for asking.

          I went out of precautionary quarantine today. I traced back to when I started feeling throat problems (funny, I found some messages with a friend where I was complaining to realize which day), so it was 10 days or more depending. My smell/taste returned over the day Sunday and overall outside of nagging cough, which could be allergies or so on, I’ve been fine.

          Unfortunately one of my nephews I’ll watch a bit, had his teacher in daycare test positive. So now various family is or isn’t in quarantine, including myself recently, and waiting on test results. That’s probably the best bet how it could have happened, depending on timing and who had it when, its difficult to do concise contact tracing. I feel like fall/winter is going to be a cluster.

          Otherwise, I’m going to get the antibody test this coming week to see if it was there, or there at some point, despite having the nasal test go negative. If it wasn’t for the sharp intense fever and the total loss of taste and 95% of smell I could have brushed it off, but I don’t really have any doubt at this point.

          Hopefully in mid winter we actually have someone running things that will let the doctors and scientists do their own work unhindered.

          1. I am glad you are doing all right, Indy, and I hope your family pulls through too. I know it is ridiculous to say you were lucky, but apparently some people get hit much worse. And I too hope that we begin to see a rebirth of competence in government in January.

  4. Paul … well said … just get ready to feel the backlash from these guys … you are about to get name called … they dont like when you dont agree with them

    the kid was hit in the side of the head with a skateboard … you see the gun in the other rioter’s hand … but that is ok with them … i do know if i were in his position … i would not let the rioters attack me or my family … what he did was self defense … and it will come out in the courts … always does … and another thing … when the democrat run cities let it go some body has to step up … !!!

    myself … i am ok with them letting the police go … i feel bad for the innocent ,elderly , and kids in those cities … but you gotta know … the gangs and rioters will all take themsevles out eventually … and that is a good thing !!!

    i am done here … let the name calling being … again … LOL

    1. You won’t let the ‘rioters attack’ you, but you’ll go out armed to stir up shit as intended though, correct?

      Make up your own narrative though. You know, hit up more of that Fox News propaganda about how the entire city is in flames and everyone is at risk, when it’s taking place in a small confined area when people who aren’t stirring up shit don’t seem to have these issues.

      Weird, how many elderly people and kids do I see getting attacked by protestors versus the hundreds of cops beating the shit out of innocent people just sitting on the ground since this whole thing started? Don’t let facts get in the way though. Go watch more of that nine figure Fox News anchor who’s making bank off of being able to play ignorant people like you for cash. That’s the hilarious thing about all of it.

      Literally have an heir to a frozen meal empire acting like he knows jack shit about America on TV, and people listening to him. Such irony for those who claim to be ‘draining the swamp’ of elites. Sure Trump will make his comments from his taxpayer paid golf course per the norm this week.

      10 more weeks.

      1. Redlion and Paul meet the definition of deplorables. True cult members. You can’t fix stupid…no point in trying.

    2. Poor pitiful redlion, feeling so sorry for himself. People call him mean names when all he does is support someone who’s been taking a dump on the Constitution and locking kids in cages for several years! The nerve of some people.

      Anyway, this Kyle kid ran toward some rioters who were smashing up a car, yelling and carrying his AR-15. Some who might have been thinking of what kids with AR-15s have done repeatedly (like school and movie theater massacres) tried to stop him by throwing something at him. The kid turned and shot him in the head. Then he ran. Two other people, who just saw him murder someone tried to stop him. Why? Oh, maybe so he wouldn’t keep on killing people. He killed one of them (the one who hit him with the skateboard) and wounded the other. The kid then made it to the police, who LET HIM GO HOME.

      This kid drove an hour to get into this. He was not defending his home or community. He was looking for action. He got it. What are you whining about?

      Oh, and you want to be called names? I will call you the worst one I can think of: You are a Trump supporter!

  5. I am a moderate who probably won’t vote for either candidate. I’m not a fan of foxnews or cnn or msnbc. I only try to point out hypocrisy on both sides. In This case, I think Tucker’s quotes are being misconstrued. Here is the full quote:

    “What does that amount to? We’re unsure, a court will decide whether what you just saw qualifies as self-defense. We don’t have more details. We do know why it all happened, though. Kenosha has devolved into anarchy, the authorities in charge of the city abandoned it. People in charge from the governor of Wisconsin on down refused to enforce the law. They stood back and watched Kenosha burn. So are we really surprised this looting and arson accelerated to murder. How shocked are we that 17-year-olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would. Everyone can see what was happening in Kenosha. It was getting crazier by the hour. Watch this scene from last night.”

    When you read the full quote, he is not praising the kid. What he’s saying is that because the government isn’t taking control to try and calm the situation, this kid is the predictable and inevitable outcome.

    What he’s saying is this: when governments abandon the people, then the people who are not qualified feel the need to rise up, and tragedy inevitably follows. When I watched the full clip, that was the takeaway I had.

    1. Control how? These protests are in a limited area, and for the most part, most of the protestors are peaceful. Most arrests come from obstructive traffic. Just because FOX News puts these large amplification speakers up with cherry picked videos of ‘the city is on fire’ – its a bunch of bullshit.

      It just shows conservatives continual obsession with authoritarianism and authority – in EVERYTHING. What need was there for this random person to go and shoot up innocent people? Because there were cameras there in a certain part of a small city where people weren’t behaving appropriately?

      This is the issues with conservatives – on everything. They feel its their God given right to impose their own views on others, which is the irony since they accuse liberals of doing the same thing.

      Who’s the group that tries to tell what group of people to marry?

      Who’s the group that tries to dictate that a women should have to go through inherent risk of her life going through pregnancy?

      Who’s the group that tries to dictate what their religion and rules can be plastered within neutral governing bodies?

      Who’s the group that picks and chooses what first and second amendment rights mean, based on the color and ideology of the person expressing them?

      Conservatives abide by the view that if everyone just conformed and didn’t question authority or social hierarchy in anyway, then by golly every white, straight, heterosexual, Christian, gun owning, never aborting person would just be so happy.

      Or, if they would just shut their fucking mouths, like in the case of Carlson here, or the kid that decided it was his place to shoot up protestors, then all that ‘disorder’ is nothing more than a few city blocks of a country in scope of 3.8 million square miles.

      That’s it. It’s not that damn hard. The only inevitability about anything is how much conservatives once again want to insert their noses into business for their ultimate philosophy of authoritarianism and conformity.

    2. The full quote doesn’t alter the meaning in the slightest.

      The Counselor wrote:
      What I believe is that governments were instituted by people so as to protect certain inalienable rights among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

      Tucker Carlson said:
      “People in charge from the governor of Wisconsin on down refused to enforce the law. ”

      I don’t think that’s the case but anyway. So, if I’m in a store and a person isn’t wearing a mask, or if I see a whole load of people about to go into a church and none of them are wearing masks and no authorities are doing anything about these situations, and I feel this is a risk to my inalienable right to life, do I have the right to shoot all these various people dead?

    3. A “moderate” who claims to criticize both sides but then immediately rushes into to defend a known racist conservative with a bullshit opinion? Where have I seen this before?

      Here’s something a little more nuanced for you:
      Why does a black Kenosha resident who may or may not have been reaching for a weapon get shot in the back seven times by the police?
      Why does a visibly armed white vigilante non-resident who murdered two people not only doesn’t get shot but gets ignored by the police?

      The only thing that shocks me is the dipshit actually went out and shot someone. I was under the assumption that the average gun-nut was too chickenshit to actually do anything.

    4. That’s really a false equivalence. Biden is not running against a principled ideological opposite like John McCain in a race where both sides continually spin facts to their advantage. That’s politics as usual. This is not. Biden is running against a lawless, unprincipled, dishonest, corrupt, mentally ill man. Whatever your ideology, you should at least set your bar high enough to strive for a world in which the worst person in the world and the most powerful person in the world are two different people.

      1. Welcome to the world of goalpost moving that the GOP propaganda machine have been pushing ever since they threw a piss fit when a black man became President.

        When the right wingers have become supporters of ultra-nationalistic authoritarianism with ultra funding for the wealthy on the side, and moved the goalposts for ‘middle ground’ on those points, this is what happens.

        Imagine having your fence on the property line with the neighbor and its partially on both properties. Negotiate, split the cost of a new fence and survey, negotiate on design and construction even if both sides don’t get 100% of their want and get it done with. A moderate’s dream right?

        Take the same situation for the opposite neighbor. Instead the neighbor not only wants to you tear down the fence, pay for the survey, pay for the new fence – but he wants to pay for his property taxes, demolish your garage for blocking his view, and allow access to your driveway for all the trouble they supposedly have.

        Where’s the enlightened centrist now? That’s why this is such a shit viewpoint. The idea of above all else, ‘both sides are equal so we must listen’ … so obviously its fair if you just meet on middle ground – you get to keep your garage, but pay for the survey, new fence, the neighbor’s property tax ,and give them access to your driveway. See! Both sides! Fair is fair!

        This is the game the GOP loves to play. Become so unreasonable and full of shit, and then use that as a negotiating point – and yet there’s still somehow people who are undecided supposed centrists voters out of all this.

    5. Paul said: “I am a moderate who probably won’t vote for either candidate.”

      Congratulations on supporting Trump! You have made Putin very happy. Ask him for a cookie! You deserve it.

      BTW, you claim to be a moderate, but you talk like someone trying to sell Trump and explain away Tucker Carlson, under the guise of “pointing out the hypocrisy on both sides”.

      A) So if you are what you claim to be, no one on earth will ever be good enough for you, because you will always be able to find some way in which they are hypocritcal. That is a great way to do nothing at all while pretending to be more moral than anyone else. Congrats! BTW, a person who can’t take a side NOW should be really ashamed of themselves.

      B) What you are saying is not moderate. A moderate is disgusted by Trump and the right, and wants to get rid of Trump ASAP. A real moderate is not fooled by the hilarious claims that JOE BIDEN, for gods sake, is a far-left guy. What are you really?

      As trolls go, Brobonk is WAY too stupid to get any traction here, and Steverino isn’t getting the job done either. You are a smoother article, but if I can see through you, you aren’t that hot, because I’m not that smart.

  6. Eliminating the police, which some on the far left seem to be advocating, would actually eliminate shootings by the police. I thought (and still think) that’s an insane idea for many obvious reasons. But one reason I hadn’t considered is that it would encourage idiots to grab their guns and go out “to maintain law and order.” The adults who filled that kid’s head with nonsense and gave him a gun probably deserve murder charges as much if not more than he does.

    What I believe is that governments were instituted by people so as to protect certain inalienable rights among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Public safety is the first responsibility of government. I don’t recall where, but just the other day, a murder suspect committed suicide but rumors spread that he had been killed by the police. Some people started calling for violent protests in response, so the police released a video of the man clearly shooting himself. They rioted anyway. The major problem in many cities today is that people more interested in violence and destruction than reform are using these peaceful protests as cover to be violent and destroy. While our right to peacefully protest is guaranteed by the Constitution, that right can be subject to reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions. I think that the cities where these protests are ongoing need to put a regulation in place requiring that all protesting end at least 30 minutes before nightfall. If protesters don’t disperse after a warning they should be arrested and the streets cleared. Peaceful protest should be celebrated. Violent protests should not be tolerated.

    Ultimately though, the responsibility lies with state and local government, not Trump. It is one thing to provide support to local governments if asked, but sending federal law enforcement in to a city to “restore order” over the objections of local officials is an asinine over reach. But I do think sending federal law enforcement to prevent destruction of federal property (like a courthouse) is appropriate. Unfortunately, if state and local officials won’t do their jobs and protect public safety, I don’t know that there is any recourse other than the next state and local elections.

    1. “Rittenhouse and the other armed civilians shown in videos with him were violating Kenosha’s 8 p.m. curfew, and at 17, he is too young to openly carry a gun in Wisconsin, the Tribune reported. But police did not challenge him on either front.”

      Kenosha seems to have a policing problem.

      1. I agree, they do have a policing problem. Having a curfew isn’t very helpful if you don’t enforce it.

    2. Michael McC, you hadn’t considered that people on the right grab their guns and start shooting?! What else have they been threatening to do for YEARS? They’ve been murdered people before, like that guy who ran a woman down in Charlestown.

      I bet it hasn’t occurred to you that Trump might try to stay in power no matter what the election results are, either. You assume the same words on paper he has ignored for his whole term, hell, for his whole LIFE, will make that impossible. You had better get your fainting couch ready in November.

      Oh, and guess what – when people are subjected to criminal violence and receive no justice because the criminals investigated themselves and determined that they had done no wrong, well, sometimes those people resort to criminal violence. Who’da thunk it, huh?!

      Not you, I guess, because that never has and never will happen to you. At least not until Trump’s third term or so.

      1. I hadn’t considered that eliminating the police would lead to armed militias only because the idea is so absurd I never gave it serious thought.

        I don’t think Trump will be able to stay in office if he loses the election, though he may file law suits. If those are unsuccessful, I have confidence that neither the secret service nor the military will take action to keep him in office which I would think would be necessary for him to remain. I’ve known military officers and secret service agents, well one agent. But I have faith they will follow the law. Am I naive? Well we will most likely know for sure in 5 months. If Trump actually wins, we’ll know in 4.5 years.

        1. I doubt he will be around to leave in 4.5 years. You don’t see a lot of fat guys live to be 78 1/2.

    3. Abolishing the police really had nothing to do with abolishing law and giving it to armed militias. It would be more like a merge of different enforcement agencies making appropriate decisions regarding their domain of enforcement, rather than one wholesale department escalating a broken tail light into a shooting a man dead like Philando Castile, or busting in a house unannounced to arrest someone in custody and shooting Breonna Taylor.

      Unfortunately it’s a nuanced discussion that you can’t have due to the current intelligence level of the country. Say abolish anything, and it’s suddenly anarchism, when it doesn’t mean that at all. It’s no different than the US Armed Forces having branches – you don’t have the Army conducting maritime warfare, and you don’t have the Navy conducting air support typically. If they all existed as one monolith under just ‘US Armed Forces’ and weren’t act appropriately, people would act as if abolishing the monolith means abolishing national defense.

      The police departments act as one monolith and if you get the wrong person on the wrong day under this monolith who should never be conducting those duties – well you’re SOL. Also it propagates that ‘us vs them’ mentality and propagates the cover up of the white nationalists and true pieces of shit in police departments who shouldn’t have a job.

      1. I understand that when most people call to “defund the police” they really mean to cut it’s budget and reassign certain responsibilities, even though the plain meaning of defund is to eliminate funding. But to listen to some people calling for eliminating the police it sounds like they actually MEAN eliminate the police. You are going to say that’s not what most people mean but that is why I said “some on the FAR left.” It is a ridiculous absurd idea to eliminate the police. As someone that lived through NYC in the 1970’s and 1980’s and currently lives in a minority neighborhood in the Bronx, I will tell you I do not want fewer police.

  7. Well the Republicans are running a brilliant strategy in pointing out all the chaos every day but taking no responsibility for it

    1. I was also alive during President Reagan’s time, and you’re wrong.

      1.Reagan deserves credit for giving Paul Volcker full independence and for helping end the cold war along with Gorbachev. Those were the two big issues of his day, and because they were resolved fairly successfully, Reagan will likely go down as a successful President.

      2.On the issue of Reagan’s deficits:
      OMB director and others at the White House admitted the primary purpose of the enormous expansion of the deficits was to force the Democrats to make cuts in social spending. So, the Reagan Administration didn’t believe that ‘deficits don’t matter’ but they wanted to use tax cuts as a stealth way to force large spending cuts at the same time as the recession cut into revenue and at the same time as they also pushed through Congress a large increase in defense spending.

      3.That attempt to use deficits to force through cuts in social spending is consistent with Reagan’s racist notion of ‘welfare queens driving cadillacs.’

      4.The ideological framework of the tax cuts themselves was indeed ‘trickle down’ the notion that the most successful people, by virtue of their success, knew how to make the best and most efficient spending decisions. This efficient use of money would, according to them, lead to an economy that would be best for everybody, the tax cuts would ‘trickle down’ to a stronger economy that would benefit the poor. Whether they actually believed that, I have no idea.

      1. 1.In regards to guns, the Reagan Administration worked with the newly founded federalist society to claim that gun ownership was an ‘individual right’ and promoted a large number of judges who agreed with that. I have no idea if they believed at that time that the Second Amendment was absolute. But, with each generation of Republicans since the 1980s being more extreme than the last, it wasn’t long before that would become the prevailing view among Republicans.

        2.On global warming/climate change, that wasn’t really an issue until 1988 and George H W Bush chief of staff, John Sununu, convinced Bush that the Republican Party would be better off politically if they denied the reality of global warming.

        On the environmental issues of the day, Reagan’s first Interior Secretary James Watt was a pro development, anti environmentalist extremist who promoted coal mining on public lands, among other things.

        The Reagan Administration does deserve credit for the acid rain deal with Canada and for finally signing onto the Montreal Protocol that addressed the thinning of the ozone layer.

        3.On church/state separation, Reagan’s 2nd Attorney General, Ed Meese, was a hypocritical pseudo-Christian every bit on par with the Evangelical Trump supporters of today. His opposition to illicit drugs was moralizing claptrap (though he wasn’t as bad as Reagan’s Secretary of Education and then H W Bush’s drug czar, William Bennett, who essentially appointed himself as America’s morality czar) and his report on pornography was at least partly based on Meese’s and other commission members views on Biblical teachings.

        Bill Deecee, I appreciate that you recognize the Republican Party for the collection of extremists and nihilists it is today, but I agree with Stuart Stevens that the Republican Party has been heading in this direction since the Reagan Revolution.

        1. I left out probably the most important area where the Reagan Administration not only lacked separation between Church and State, but showed the nature of their belief in religion: their refusal to fund research into AIDS treatment on the basis that they believed it was the ‘Gay Plague’ retribution from God.

      2. About that first 1. – I was there too and No. Chairman of the Fed IS independent, “letting” him be this isn’t an action. And while Reagan was grandstanding with “tear down this wall” he was also cutting money to Solidarnosc when they needed it most. Yes the cold war ended when he was pres, but it wasn’t because of him.

        1. You’re wrong on that. The Federal Reserve essentially did not gain full independence until the otherwise awful Alan Greenspan told President George H W Bush he wouldn’t cut interest rates in 1992.

          If you check interest rates in 1980, the Federal Reserve lowered Federal Funds rate from something like 20% in late 1979 to 12% by August of 1980 even though inflation (CPI) had not gone down. The only plausible explanation is that President Carter ordered Volcker to lower interest rates.

          The general belief in monetary policy until Greenspan was that the President is ultimately responsible for the economy by virtue of being elected by the American people. So if the President wants the Fed rate cut, ultimately the Federal Reserve should defer to the President. As far as I recall, Greenspan changed that to ‘the Federal Reserve should defer as long as I can resign.’

          Of course, Greenspan knew the effect a Federal Reserve President’s resignation would have on economic confidence and the public confidence in the President, and thus was won full independence for the Federal Reserve.

      3. Trickle Down Economics, or “Voodoo Economics” as named by Reagan’s own VP, has been shown over the last 40 years to be an abject failure in everything but aggregating wealth in the hands of the wealthy elite (of course, considering that was likely the real goal, perhaps it was a success?) that has been incredibly catastrophic for what once was the Middle Class.

        The scam that is Trickle Down will go down in history as the worst economic policy since the Great Depression, and will ultimately define Reagan’s presidency as a failure.

        And as for their goal of gutting social programs? Yeah, that’s fine just swimmingly, as people are regularly bankrupted by medical care (which they often make worse by avoiding preventative medical treatment due to the absurd price and woefully inadequate healthcare coverage), prisons and ERs becoming the de facto treatment system for mental illness (again, driving medical costs sky-high), and the destruction of Unions, furthering the consolidation of wealth to the 1%. Another great policy triumph!

        A great many of our current societal ills can be directly traced back to Nixon and Reagan. What a shame we often elect sociopaths to office.

  8. This is what I mean when I say that it is no longer possible to be a Trump supporter and still be a decent person. This is the kind of thing you have to believe in order to be a Trump supporter, which is to say a current-day Republican.

    If these people win out somehow, this country will go down the same road as Nazi Germany, only with atomic weapons and 21st century technology. God save the world.

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