Dems on 2024: we want somebody not named Biden

“In a sign of deep vulnerability and of unease among what is supposed to be his political base, only 26 percent of Democratic voters said the party should renominate him in 2024.”

Only 13 percent of American voters said the nation was on the right track

36 thoughts on “Dems on 2024: we want somebody not named Biden

  1. I appreciate the age thing, however, Ronald Reagan was relatively as old as Biden is now given that people now live longer. Ronald Reagan’s popularity dropped to 36% in the spring of 1983. According to the sensationalistic response to this, I guess Reagan either didn’t run for re-election or was defeated for re-election or something.

    Again, I appreciate the age thing, but this poll, more than two years before the Presidential election and before even the midterms, is kind of idiotic.

  2. A day is an eternity in politics. Get a grip people. Biden served his purpose ie one of the few, maybe only, Dem nominee who could beat Trump. For that reason alone a major +. Yes he’s a train wreck who beat another train wreck. 😮

    Kinda where “we” are at in American politics, eh. The age of mediocrity!

    2022 mid-terms should be interesting. Yes Dems are probably toast, but again Trump is not on the ballot and the first major election since the Rep party tried to overturn the will of the people by Insurrection. And yes the average American voter has the memory of a peanut.

    My conundrum ~ the Dem party really, really, really sucks, but the Rep party is worse!

    Did I mention a day is an eternity in politics? Stay tuned!

    Apologies to peanuts …

    1. The DNC could have gone to the side of a road, scooped up a dead dog with a shovel, run it for Pres, it would have beat Trump.

      The question now is who can beat DeSantis? A charisma-challenged time-server isn’t going to cut it. Al Franken?

      1. I disagree with your first sentence here. My evidence is A) Hillary Clinton, and B) just how many people DID vote for Trump: 74.2 million, vs 81.3 million for Biden (and about 3 million for Libertarian/Green/Other). (Figures all per Wikipedia.)

        That is an appalling large number for Trump, and suggests a bad Democratic candidate might have lost.

        I don’t mean to just nitpick here. My point is, you can’t run “anybody”; you have to run somebody, and it has to be somebody the voters want. Besides, Biden, who is that?

        1. That was Trump the iconoclastic unknown. Four years later, he was Trump, the lying fuckup who was actively trying to kill us all.

          1. No, those are the 2020 election results. That is what makes them appalling, because by then, Trump had almost fully revealed who and what he was. (It would take until January 6th of 2021 to finish the job.) The number of people who knew all that and STILL voted for him is frightening. To me, at least.

          2. Trump got 46% of the vote in 2016.
            He got 47% of the the vote in 2020.

            The raw numbers are big but I don’t think he’s capable of a big enough win against any Dem opponent. The only thing he’s got on his side are getting just enough votes in a few states to flip them.

          3. Problem is, the Repubs are consistently eroding the system across every level to ensure that, with each iteration, majority rule becomes a thing of the past.

  3. I see a blood bath over Harris if Biden steps aside. She is clearly not Presidential material (more like Peter +1 where she is), but there will be constituencies within the Party which will absolutely insist she be nominated and then proceed to take their toys and go home if she isn’t. Which of course would help the Orange Buffoon pull off Grover Cleveland Mach 2.

    1. It looks bad for the Dems. Their stars (Warren and Sanders) are too old. Biden is a lost cause. Harris doesn’t seem to have the right stuff. The country’s not ready for Buttigieg. Where is their JFK/Reagan? I don’t see him/her.

          1. in any Empty Suit of the Year contest. He might even beat the last President’s son-in-law. Of course, this doesn’t mean he couldn’t get nominated.
            Evil thought of the day: if that last Prez doesn’t run or gets knocked out by legal/health problems, his eldest spawn would still be available to meet all the exacting standards of the MAGAts in the other “party”.

  4. Back around 2018 when Biden was being coy about running, he was promising to only be a one term president to address the questions about his age. I think he should stick to that and be integral is promoting a successor.

  5. Wow a pedophile with dementia who arrests his political enemies is hated? I’m so shocked.

    1. That pedophilia argument is always particularly ironic. As far as I have seen, there have only been three actual pedophiles in public office recently, plus one guy who aided and abetted a pedophile, and all four of those are conservative Republicans.

      1. Easy way to figure out what crimes the Republicans are committing

        Just listen to what they accuse the Democrats of doing. This is such a reliable indicator that it should be admissible as evidence in court

    2. I had no idea Trump was a pedophile too, Reggin! Thanks for the heads up. I hate him even more now, and I did not think that was possible. With people like you on the job, the GOP doesn’t have a prayer in 2024. Keep it up!

  6. Same old story — Republicans fuck everything up, Democrats come into power and take the blame. Happened to Carter, happened to Obama (though he was obviously more successful at fighting it).

      1. Anyone thinking one party is always right and the other wrong is delusional. And I mean anyone.

        1. He didn’t say “always”. He gave two specific, concrete examples. It’s your issue that you can’t recognize, nor acknowledge, good faith discussion. But we’ve come to expect that you folks, haven’t we?

        2. 1) I didn’t say that, or anything of the like.

          2) Feel free to disprove my statement, if you can.

  7. I don’t think it’s particularly surprising that Democrats are feeling some buyers remorse over nominating Biden. I think he won the nomination in part because he was seen as the strongest candidate to beat Trump. Which he did. But Biden doesn’t seem like the strongest candidate for 2024. First of all, Biden has always been a bit of a gaffe machine. But at nearly 80 years old, those gaffes just reinforce the idea that he is increasingly experiencing “senior moments.” Add to that the state of the economy, especially inflation at a 40 year high and Biden seems like a longshot to win in 2024. As a Republican that should make me happy, but I am reminded of just how beatable Bill Clinton seemed after the 1994 midterms. But Bob Dole did not become president in 1996. When push comes to shove, I don’t think Biden will run in 2024. He can’t say that now because he’ll instantly become a lame duck. Hopefully, if Biden doesn’t run it will reinforce the idea that to renominate Trump in 2024 would be a disaster for the GOP. It should be enough that Trump defiled his oath of office by trying to avoid a peaceful transfer of power. But far too many Republicans just care about the way Trump fights the libs. But what do I know? Somewhere along the line, I became a RINO.

  8. If you look into stories about this, even from inside capitol Hill, it’s depressing.

    They essentially want him to be Trump. “DO SOMETHING!” Like, what, exactly? “ACT!” Because there’s a lot a president can do in the face of Roe v Wade.

    It’s clear that the emotional thinkers want him to make their boo boos all better, and his party people just want him to go Trump and start legislating by decree and force things down the throat of the nation illegally.

    Democrat voters just want him to make all the bad things go away because this was supposed to be happiness and joy. They were never going to be happy. They were never going to be satisfied. Nobody in 2024 will make them satisfied.

    And his party? If they want to make Trump style leadership the norm, they’d best beef up security because we’re 100% headed for a civil war and we know which side has all the guns. The good guys will not win if they lack the moral high ground.

    1. For one thing…Biden et al should have had an oven ready response to the SCOTUS abortion ruling given that it was leaked well in advance. That’s on Biden et al. Only now is a response forthcoming. Pelosi read a poem…

      1. Kamala Harris is being justifiably ridiculed for her “word salad” response to being asked if the Democrats had made a mistake in not codifying Roe when they controlled the House, Senate and the presidency.

        “I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled. Certain issues are just settled,”

        The question was one that should have been expected. I’m not sure why she didn’t just say, “yes, in hindsight it was a mistake.” That is the answer pro-choice Dems wanted to hear. I think that the reality was more complicated. I am not sure that they would have been able to pass such a law even if they tried to do it in Obama’s first term when they had 60 Democratic senators. At the time, Roe v Wade seemed safe and there were probably Democratic senators in red states that would have faced a political cost for voting for it. There may even have been a pro-life Democrat left in the Senate at that point. But none of that really matters to how she should have answered the question. I don’t see the downside to saying a past Congress really should have codified Roe. That would not be the same as (God forbid) admitting the Biden Administration made a mistake.

        1. Obama would not have been able to put abortion rights into law. Of those 60 there were multiple anti-abortion senators. Harry Reid was one of them. Even if they were to try to get rid of the filibuster I doubt Reid would’ve changed the rules for abortion.

          Ben Nelson almost torpedoed the ACA because he wanted to make sure no money could go towards abortions.

          1. Harry Reid may have been pro-life when he was first elected, but so was Joe Biden. Reid had abandoned that position by the time he was majority leader. The problem faced by the most partisan voters in each party is that in order to achieve a majority in the House or Senate you need to embrace more moderate politicians who can get elected where more extreme politicians can’t. But the most partisan seem unwilling to accept candidates that don’t embrace their entire agenda. There seem to be a lot of fairly conservative people in the Republican Party being dismissed as RINOs. Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema have been called far worse. Without those 2 senators the Dems would be in the minority but you have people on the left calling for them to be kicked out of the Democratic Party. I really understand why people decide they don’t want to be associated with either party. The problem is that it’s hard to accomplish anything as an independent. I thought about quitting the GOP, but I may want to vote against a former president in a GOP primary.

    2. For openers, Trump’s postmaster should have been gone Week 1, if Biden had to start skinning heads at the Postal Board to get there.

      Starting there, “nothing” has been his signature move. It’s like – I beat Trump, isn’t that enough? He’s basically back in his VP groove, waiting for time to run out, hoping for a spot in the history books as The Great Placeholder.

      1. I think there are legal reasons why Biden could not fire DeJoy (Trump’s postmaster). The first thing a Google search turned up was this.

        I won’t pretend to have read it closely. I assume the idea in the past was to try and shield the Postal Service from politics, but it got politicized anyway, and now that is working in DeJoy’s favor.

        I am not arguing with your post as a whole, just this one point I happened to have heard about.

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